Whether it's buying a ready-made 3-bedroom ranch in the suburbs or "settling" some land in the country, the privilege of home ownership is not universally shared around the world. I'm not saying similar things do not happen elsewhere. We know the hill tribes of Northern Thailand carve villages into the hillside wherever they go. But they do not "own" that remote land, they simply occupy it until the ever-changing Thai government decides what to do with them.
In communist countries for much of the 20th Century the thought of buying a piece of property and making it home was unheard of. The government attempted to provide "equal" housing for all its workers, and since everyone worked for the State, home ownership was not needed. Slightly further back in time, there were various cast systems where "lords" (from which we get the term "land lord") allowed peasants to exist on their land--for a price or share of their crop.
In some respects, American history is the story of personal land ownership slowly moving westward from sea to shining sea. It wasn't always pretty. At first, explorers came at the pleasure of kings to expand wealth and empires. Then, after the Revolution, ownership was associated with slavery on southern plantations, and elsewhere there was all that "we were here first" stuff to settle with the Native Americans. See what I mean? There were some ugly lessons to learn along the way.
But by the end of the Civil War the plot line begins to turn to themes romantically depicted in works like "Far and Away" and "Little House on the Prairie." For over a hundred years, home ownership has been realized by more Americans per capita than any other country in history. Farm couples and factory workers alike can save their pennies for someday, and when they've saved enough money or earned enough "good credit" to borrow from a bank, they can buy a "starter home" or the land on which to build a dream.
Lately, the term “affordable housing” has risen to the ranks of words like freedom and equality. Ironically, "freedom" and "equality" are conflicting ideals. The "freer" man is to pursue happiness the sooner he becomes less "equal" with those around him, because freedom allows each individual to rise above his current position; it allows for both self-improvement and self pity; it allows one man to build a tire factory, another man to sell rope, and yet another man to put up a tire swing. All three enterprises can be profitable in different ways, but the last one will likely put less in the bank.
Freedom begins at equality but allows excelling. It begins at an even starting line without guaranteeing a tie. For instance, when Ray Kroc decided to start the McDonalds franchise in 1955, his idea was to excel--to be more than equal to--other hamburger joints in America. The same holds true for athletes and athletic teams. Show me the team that strives merely to be equal to its competition, where winning doesn't matter or improve contracts, and I'll show you some happy bench warmers.
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The ideal and responsibility to love our neighbor and treat all men equally will never change, but "created equal," as Jefferson put it, is a starting point not a material outcome. Each of us is free to strive toward the risks and rewards of self improvement even if it means we may be unequal in the end. That is the essence of freedom and its flaws, when they arise, rest in fallen human nature.
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Governments should ensure that all starting lines are equal, but when they change starting lines to "equalize" outcomes, it underscores the conflict between the ideals of freedom and equality. In the name of "fairness," they become as unfair as referees who bend the rules of the game or overlook disqualifications, in order to even the score. Enduring such games inevitably leads to apathy and/or anarchy.
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What has this to do with home ownership? Land and home ownership is part of the "pursuit of happiness" that Jefferson described in the Declaration of Independence. It is not an entitlement. It's not even a right. It must be earned; risks must be personalized if the potential gain means anything at all.
When the government gets into the “land lord business” through giant "Federally-controlled-publicly-traded" lenders like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, when they bend the rules, overlook disqualifications, and basically suspend common sense about human nature, the dream of home ownership can become a nightmare for the homeowners who actually play by the rules, buying only homes they can afford, and faithfully making the monthly payments. When the government motivates lending agencies to make sub-prime loans to borrowers with bad credit or who have not yet demonstrated the ability to save money, when they pay multi-million-dollar bonuses to CEOs for peddling those bad loans, when those leaders walk away pointing their fingers at those who tried to sound the alarm, why should anyone be surprised when foreclosure signs start springing up like plastic flamingos in front yards everywhere?
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Regardless of how you're voting this fall, Folks, if we hope to change this mess, we must first take a good look at how we got here and who’s most likely to prevent it from ever happening again.
In this excellent article by Thomas Sowell [right] he asks Do Facts Matter? Here are the video clips that support Sowell's findings. Here is a similar report. This must-see clip from 2005 shows the connection between liberal good intentions and their shortsighted practices. As you may recall, the Feds bailed out those two failed mortgage giants (150 Billion Dollars) two weeks before the $700,000,000,000 bail-out last week. While I'm not a fan of Bill O'Reilly and question the theatrics of his anger in this exchange, listen closely to what Barney Frank says in the first clip. He does say the "prospects going forward are very solid" and then later says he never said it. He also acts as if he and Dodd and Maxine Waters did not continually mock concerns and block legislation for years. There are only a handful of "stars" in Hollywood who dare to support McCain. Yesterday Jon Voight asks the press to do its job in telling the history of this Fanny Mae/Freddie Mac mess.
I say these things not to be political, not to point fingers, but to explain the fundamental financial flaw that brought us to this point. It was not so much a failure of true "free market" policy. It was years of the "refs" changing the rules and overlooking disqualifications to the tune of billions of dollars in bad loans. True, greed was at the heart of it, but not all of the greed was on Wall Street. Sowell said, "Franklin Raines made $90 million while he was head of Fannie Mae and mismanaging that institution into crisis. Who in Congress defended Franklin Raines? Liberal Democrats, including Maxine Waters and the Congressional Black Caucus, at least one of whom referred to the "lynching" of Raines, as if it was racist to hold him to the same standard as white CEOs." I wince at including that quote, but it helps explain why so many are slow to talk about this subject. The only thing worse than racism is when it is falsely charged.
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Believe it or not this very current topic ties directly in to this story I’ve been telling.
.My father was a hard-working middle class guy. The chapters you’ve read thus far and those yet to come, are about a man and his family who didn’t live beyond their means. This story from barn to house takes seven years, because Dad was so opposed to debt that he “paid as he went” with every one of these projects. Eventually when we get to the part about building the house, he never took out a mortgage, and it took three years to finish the house AFTER WE MOVED INTO THE BASEMENT to live. During that time, he also scraped together enough to pay half the college bill for four kids. (We paid the other half ourselves with the money we’d saved and earned working our summers and holding jobs on campus.)
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So when I fondly revisit the hard work in these chapters, I am again thankful for the values and world view I picked up from Dad along the way, and I'm reminded that in this imperfect, broken world the cure is sometimes worse than the sickness. Not all change is good.
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I have written favorably about some of the qualities of both candidates in the past, I have friends on both bandwagons, but over time I've seen something that has made my choice clear. The best of leaders can inspire individuals to excel in their freedom regardless of elections; they elevate American ideals and disassociate with those who do not. [Follow-up link. Here's another and another. And this one from Time Magazine that puts it in a simple question. Explained here.] Leaders value this republic/democracy because to "empower" people is a greater good than being put "in power." They are humbled by their influence and do not strut or cock the head as if to charm a hen from its nest.
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When you consider history and how quickly things mushroom when throngs of partisan people, fraudulent hired hands, blind judges ignoring voter fraud, vulgar celebrities, marching youth, global enchantment, and singing children put all their hope in "the one" man who will "change the world," you begin to wonder if this electrified but polarized electorate will have the civil composure to accept either outcome on November 4th. You begin to wonder if we'll recognize in four years this nation that on its worst day is still the first choice that millions of onlookers would love to call home.
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WSL in the comment section has directed our attention to this non-partisan article that echoes many of these thoughts about freedom and the America that will "pass" if we don't realize what we're about to lose. I've not read Joe before, but I like this article:
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Coming soon: Chapter 8: Dad's Bridge
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Anonymous said...
good thoughts ... I'm thankful for thelessons your dad and mom taught you through their lives
5/10/08 8:34 PM
PI said...
Anon,
Thanks. I was all ready to finish and post a chapter about Dad's Bridge, but this week's events have been on my mind. I thought about how hard my dad worked to get their first home and how hard he worked on the two homes he built, paying as he went. I thought about the "mobile home" my wife and I lived in until we could afford our first house and how much work we put in fixing up that little place, and me working two jobs to make it happen and never miss a payment because we counted the cost before signing the papers.
It's not that I want to engage in political debate about either candidate, but the facts of this meltdown have been redirected at the very people who tried to warn us it was coming. Tuesday night should be interesting.
5/10/08 9:15 PM
the walking man said...
Tom...while not trying to be political the slant on the video was a tried and true spin.
It is not quite the whole story when we talk of bills passed and lawsuits filed. There is an arbiter in this country that is supposed to prevent all of this. Checks and balances, the president can veto and the court can overturn. If the Democrat machine was rogue in going forward in this debacle, the Heavily republican administrations and Conservative courts, were asleep at the wheel.
I do see the point though, what was truly bartered away for these sub-prime loans was the American Dream of home ownership and a job to support that ownership.
Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac were the guarantors of the loans, done en masse. It is the banks actuarial departments that failed when checking credit scores and ability to repay.
But again it is Friedman theory (future value can supplant real value when deciding a things worth) of economics that have ruled this nation since the time of Carter (the first administration in 200 years where the national deficit hit $1,000,000,000,000) But it was the Reagan administration that really ramped up this bubble of deficit spending, followed by Bush 1 and Clinton, then Bush 2. The slight difference though is that while running a high deficit, Clinton actually reduced it by the end of his term.
The real problem now freezing the economy is not that hundreds of thousands of sub-prime mortgages (ARM)are coming due but rather because of massive deficit spending there is no federal money left to support the loan guarantee's.
This lack of money in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac could be pegged to a highly expensive war, or the fact the Bush 2 has increased deficit spending percentages compared to Gross Domestic product to the highest levels ever. I would rather an administration tell me that they will expand government through taxes and social support networks than one that tells me they will shrink government and then do exactly the opposite.
All 5 previous administrations have increased the size of government, but three of them did it while telling me they would make it smaller. Now that this mess is grabbing the entire world there is only one theory of economic practice that will work to stem the tide.
J.M. Keynes proposes that the only time government should wholly involve itself in the market is during downturns. By creating jobs regarding infrastructure it gives people the ability to save and then consume. Consumer products like housing are not valued on "future worth" but rather on what the consumer can pay. In other words supply is not regulated by demand but rather demand is regulated by supply. a subtle difference.
FDR, Kennedy both followed a Keynesian model when establishing economic policy. Jobs equal consumption and consumption equaled health in the economy. The Friedman theory was, in my opinion, adhered to by Reagan in order to supply enough capital to fund star wars and the bankruptcy of the Soviet Union. The policy of future earnings spent today worked, even though it darn near bankrupted this country at the same time.
So the bright and wunderkind boys who were studying economics latched onto this during the 80's and brought it about as mainstream economic policy. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses. The truth is that durable goods like housing do have a peak worth and to pay more for the worth than the land, brick and mortar upon it, does not mean that at sometime in the future a purchaser will be able to re-coup the value spent in equity. Like the video said, a house increase in value used to be tied to the rate of inflation.
NOT what some dolt is willing to pay for it in a bidding war, this is where greed took over, not in some political campaign or another. Greed of the purchaser and the seller, the appraiser and the agent, the banks in lending against future worth and Wall Street in bundling these loans to squeeze more profit now from some ill defined future value.
To lay this at the feet of any single legislator is ludicrous. The thing about all bubbles is they take time to inflate but only a millisecond to deflate when they burst. Now that this mortgage bubble is bursting, people who have done due diligence with their spending will be the ones to ride it out in the best shape. But everyone will lose something of their individual wealth. The question I am struggling with is what extent is my moral responsibility to them who have far less in terms of surviving than I do?
I don't contend with how this happened but rather what do I do to help them who are not as well prepared as myself. That is the question that needs an answer.
6/10/08 4:16 AM
PI said...
TWM,
Mark, I knew you would weigh in on this and you did not disappoint--citing the spectrum from Friedman to Keynes no less. While I'm no fan of Keynesian economics (flies in the face of what Dad taught me), I'll also admit that I lean toward Milton Friedman's course, but sadly it has lost not only a voice but context since his death and Reagan's. I do thank you on their behalf for the hat-tip to helping build up strategic defense and bankrupting the Soviet Union into collapse. If there is any lesson we should know as a country it's that winning wars is not cheap, but it costs more to lose them. As a Viet Nam vet, you know what I mean.
There is no simple, painless fix to this current mess. While I totally agree with your last thought "what extent is my moral responsibility to them who have far less in terms of surviving than I do?" And I would say that we as individuals and churches have plenty of "Good Samaritan" and "least of these" opportunities, but when the government tells agencies to turn a blind eye to poorly extended debt and when Janet Reno (this problem began way back then) twists the arms of banks to buy that bad dept without sifting out the disqualified borrowers that is a model not of charity but chaos.
Mark, do I recall you saying a few comments ago that your Dad told you that you weren't college material? You're right. He was wrong. It's always a pleasure to share common ground with you and to squabble kindly about the details.
6/10/08 6:59 AM
Anonymous said...
I'm not too "political"...meaning I don't really listen alot to the news these days since I feel "they" skew the facts alot and it's not really news but sensationalism and trying to "one up" each other on the 'facts'. But I digress. I do have opinions on what's going on in this country and I think our fore-fathers would be doing alot more than rolling over in their graves if they could watch and observe. Men have twisted the laws to benefit themselves and not to benefit everyone else. Again I digress!
My folks were probably "alot" like yours Tom. They didn't like credit at all. They didn't believe in purchasing anything unless one could afford it. They saved and paid in cash. There were stores back in the 50's when I was a kid that would allow you to take (this would be apparel) things home "on approval" and would allow "store credit". My mom would fudge a bit on the latter to allow me a rare purchase of an outfil. Then she'd save out of her "grocery money" to help me pay for it. My parents were very frugle. Our furniture were "antiques" refinished lovingly and beautifully...and this grew into a hobby for them. My mom could make a meal out of what seemed like "thin air". But this couple was married in 1927 and their "young-married-years" were through the Great Depression. I was born in the mid-40's, their youngest, but lived through the after-math of that time. They tried to in-still into their kids that this could happen again (scripture says it will, if you're a believer this should resound). When my husband I married we knew that financial help from our parents was out of the question. So we struggled financially for about the first 15 years of our marriage. (We didn't purchase our first home until we'd been married 8 years and we din't have 'equal' to what our parents had). We never felt the sense of entitlement that young couples seem to feel now. We worked hard and scrimped. Our 2 kids benefited through this by both acquiring a strong work ethic. I love your thoughts on all these events. I will wait and read more with interest!
WSL
6/10/08 7:39 AM
PI said...
Hi, WSL,
I know what you mean about staying out of politics. I've been avoiding it all summer and fall, but things have crystallized lately as it has become very clear that the media and a slight majority have made up their mind that only one outcome will not result in social upheaval in this country. So naturally, that makes me dig deeper to see what they're afraid we'll see upon closer look.
I've decided to go with the man my father would have supported. He's not flashy; he doesn't strut; but I think I know the worst about him and he still seem presidential to me. His opponent on the other hand, has quickly climbed a ladder of dubious rungs, and I'm still not sure what wall it's leaning on.
6/10/08 4:51 PM
Anonymous said...
Don't get me wrong...I haven't had my head in the sand and feel "much" the same as you. It's good to be "wise as a serpant, and soft as a dove" (is that the right wordage of the methaphor?) when it comes to a political dialogue.
I've watched and read enough to have a grasp or a sense of the pulse of the political scene and it's not good. The spiral is exactly that! Consider who has control over the "air" and one can then discern that this is a "battle" more far reaching than the average "joe" or "jill" on the street is aware of.
WSL
6/10/08 4:52 PM
PI said...
Wow. We are almost "chatting" in real time.
I know you don't have your head in the sand. I sense many people who are careful about their wording as you are now. Yes. I agree. The contrast between choices is stark at many levels. Some at the "let him who has ears to hear...hear" level, but the thing we know is God is in control and all power is his to "throne or de-throne" for his purpose. Still we are to use the circumstance he has placed us in, and for us that includes voting and speaking the truth without guile.
6/10/08 5:01 PM
Dr.John said...
I liked what you said but I liked the debate in the comments even more. The mess we are in belongs to us all. It belongs to those who in greed bought houses they new they couldn't afford expecting to sell them when the prices went up. It belongs to those who in greed loaned them the money knowing they were not good candidates for loans. It belongs to congress for passing little or bad legislation. It belongs to the administration that simply ignored what was happening. There is enough blame for just about everybody.
6/10/08 6:57 PM
PI said...
Dr. John,
I think that is a record long comment from you. =)
You are correct that there is plenty of blame to go around. As we know it is not money but "the love of money" that is the root of all evil. That's a pretty good definition for greed. If you have time to watch the links my concern is about the honesty of those who pretended things were okay and those who were trying to warn us. When that happened at Enron, people went to prison, but that is a perspective I've not heard in the mainstream media.
There's no question about it, though, we are in the middle of a serious crisis that will hit all regardless of class, creed, country, or politics, and at the moment it looks as though someone will have his chance to save the day and "change the world."
Thanks for you calm, clear input.
6/10/08 8:23 PM
the walking man said...
Tom, Dr. John hits the "what got us into this mess" nail directly on the head.
The question though is what is the course that doesn't lead the ship onto the reef and back to open sea. Who can pilot that ship safely? While I personally tend to like Bernanke's policy's over that of his predecessor I think they need to be re-directed towards making jobs which improve GDP, not putting money into the collapsing investment system. There is enough capital there to last awhile longer yet. (yes we are personally losing money in the investment accounts)
What is causing me to turn from the candidates is the level of mud going on now in the real politik. It is counter productive on the part of both candidates who DO have a moral responsibility to give the nation hope for the immediate future.
To say one "pals around with terrorists" is just as disingenuous as saying "one was a member of a group that covertly supported the Contras." Both statements want to make it seem as the opponent is a supporter of violence used as a tool of government or government change. Both statements are far from the reality and show that no man is perfect in his growing to maturity in their choices of associates.
So I don't look at the candidates now. I look to them whom they will surround themselves with. It is not an easy task to try to divine the future eh? Taken at it's face, the VP candidates have words that sound good. Biden from the credit card capital of America certainly is at the least somewhat in their pocket and Palin trumping transparent government while at the same time closing off avenues to that transparency in Alaska is just as cloudy.
It is the next level where I lose my thought...who will sit on cabinets and agencies that are directly concerned with the peoples business? I do not know.
While my natural tendency is to go to the liberal side of the booth, I have been a frequent visitor to the conservative. John Engler ruined my taste for conservative economic theory. I have personally seen it at work well beyond his 12 year term.
Yet if I thought, which I do not, that a conservative policy would allow the ship to navigate away from the shoals I would willingly bend my vote that way. The only time in our past century history that mirrors this is the collapse of capital in the 20's-30's. The thing that shortened the collapse was massive government involvement in all areas of the economy. The WPA, TVA and a raft of other acronyms.
The sad part is that it took a world at war to really bring the commoners back to the position where they had purchasing power. Could this thing escalate into a world war...absolutely. Any excuse is a good excuse to sell more weapons to governments.
Now it would naturally seem that one candidate has credentials to make him a war time president and the other does not.
But veteran status does not make one a good war time president eh? Ask Ronald Reagan, FDR, Truman. Remember the current president is a veteran.
I suppose what I am currently thinking is that I may lose some wealth in this melt down but I still have the responsibility to decide for myself which candidate will be able to man the helm with the best crew available. My one vote may not count for more than a strand in the rope but, it will at the least be cast in favor of rigging the canvas to catch the wind and not in favor of stowing the sails to let the ship ride the waves.
7/10/08 5:01 AM
PI said...
Good morning, Mark,
I have called you the king of terse for your brief enigmatic poetry, but when it comes to politics and economics, you're quite the mug of coffee. I use that term because it would take the mug I have and more for us to sit down and discuss this stuff. Wouldn't that be fun. I mean that.
We could compare Engler's conservative governance to Grandholm's higher-tax model and try to see which one has hurt Michigan's economy the most. I agree with you that we need to focus more on GDP. I miss the "made in America" days, and I'd like to see that start with domestic oil and alternative energy plans. And being from Michigan, of course, I'd like to see this state lead the way in the cars of the future.
you and I are living proof that two perspectives can look at the same evidence and draw different conclusions. For instance, you see Obama's association with Ayers as irrelevant. I don't for two reasons: When George Stephanopoulos asked him in a primary debate about the man, He said something like, "Look, the guy lives in my neighborhood. The despicable bombings he did against our Pentagon, etc. happened when I was 8. He's now a respectable guy." That was a smoke screen answer--right up there with "I didn't know my pastor of 20 years held such hateful, racist views of my country." But the facts (which Hillary knew back then and I suspect it's why she said he was vulnerable) will soon show that their connections are much stronger than sharing a neighborhood. You'll see what I mean if the media does it's job, and if they don't my saying it here doesn't matter.
So you may be saying who cares, Tom. So he has political ties to a man who was photographed standing on an American flag just a few years ago for a Chicago magazine? (Not when Obama was 8 but when he was 40.) So Obama's political career started in that man's home. So what if they sat on small boards together throught his Chicago career. So what if Ayers passed hundreds of thousands of dollars for Obama to oversee on shared pet projects. Who cares?
It matters because I agree with you, Mark. I'm now looking beyond the candidates to the kind of people they surround themselves with. The more you objectively look at the radical liberals who helped make Obama who he is today, the more shady he becomes to voters like me. I realize that our politics are very different and these associations are less troubling to you. I can accept that.
But to bring this discussion to the thread of these posts about my father's influence on my teen years. When a man is raised without a father, this does not disqualify him for anything in life, but it does make it all the more important to see what kind of men shaped a man's life and help mentor him along. What kind of men gave "a leg up" if you will. That becomes a very real issue to voters like me.
I like your last metaphor and suspect you may to see where the Obama ship sails soon enough. You have far more confidence in his navigation skills than I do. My fear is he'll be driven by political winds.
Well, off to work. Please keep it brief until after the debate tonight. I think there will be more to talk about then. =)
Well I've
7/10/08 5:57 AM
Nancy said...
Tom, I love to visit here and watch how the comment section take on a life of it's on. I'm the last person on earth to discuss facts because I can't quote them or remember many of them, so I enjoy reading what others think and then make choices according to my belief system (which I hope is based on integrity, compassion and love for mankind). Which brings me to this comment you made:
"When a man is raised without a father, this does not disqualify him for anything in life, but it does make it all the more important to see what kind of men shaped a man's life and help mentor him along. What kind of men gave "a leg up" if you will. That becomes a very real issue to voters like me. "
BINGO! I agree. Enough said.
I do have a thought for you about the economy and I value your thoughts on this. Jimmy Carter worked hard during his administration to allow loans for low income families, so that they could achieve the "American Dream" with a home of their own. An honorable decision, with compassion for mankind at the heart of this legislation but over the years, this has turned into a MONSTER! It has taken on an evil, greedy life of it's on. Was this the beginning of our problems? No rush on an answer, I'm just curious to see what you think. Blessings to you my friend... enjoy the debate!
7/10/08 11:38 AM
Anonymous said...
Saw this link on a "Friend's" FB profile...someone had sent the link to her. It's from the Twin Cities (MN) newspapers and I found it interesting as I believe the writer is a conservative. It just gives us MORE food for thought.
Joe Soucheray: The truth on the bailout? No one wants to tell it - TwinCities.com
Source: www.twincities.com
WSL
I believe alot of the issues, politically, began during the Great Depression if truth be told with the New Deal. But I hate that the Dems blame the Repubs and vice versa. The blame game doesn't solve anything. Like the article states noone wants to tell what's "really going on!
7/10/08 2:38 PM
PI said...
Nancy,
I should probably wait until after the debate to add to these comments, but I'll probably be too busy watching the media reaction to it.
This has been a good discussion.
TWM (Mark) is a very intelligent poet in Detroit. I love that he knows we disagree stongly on most things political but still feels free to drop by and express his views so thoughtfully. (That was not always the case. =) Thanks, Mark.) He may have some thoughts about the Jimmy Carter thing (though I think he was out to sea on a Navy ship about that time). I do like the idea of Habitat for Humanity and Carter has been active in that, but I'm not sure if there is a direct connection between his actions in the 70's and this collapse (there may be a philosophical connection especially if it pertains to what the writer WSL directs us to below.
WSL,
Wow! I read the article and it echoes my thoughts. You'll notice I added a link to the article at the end of this post, but in case people don't go there, here' is some of what Joe says:
"Americans, we are at a crossroads of our history. We have to take a hard look at what we've become. We've become spoiled and petulant. We have become fearful of inconvenience. We have become afraid to suffer the consequences of failed risk, and to a certain extent, America, we have even become afraid to celebrate and acknowledge achievement.
"Now, we can continue to go down this road, and the future will look terribly and entirely different from anything we have known. Our traditions will vanish. Our history will become a clouded memory. We will allow our individual freedoms to disappear in exchange for the illusion that the government can take care of our every whim and smooth over every bump in the road.
"Well, it can't. And it shouldn't.
"I want to be your president for only one reason. I intend for us to preserve the America we have known and cherished....
"We have time to return to those qualities that made us the greatest country in the world, and we are going to recapture them. We have to...."
Read the whole article at the link I've added at the end of this post.
Thank you, Wisconsin Sandwich Lady!
7/10/08 4:17 PM
PI said...
Well,
The debate came and went. And I think the news is that compared to the Palin/Biden debate... this was boring. This was not a town hall-- I've been to a McCain/Palin town hall and it was spontaneous and interesting--this was a handpicked crowd sitting in a circle.
Nothing fresh. No fireworks. No news (Except perhaps Mc Cain's announcement to let people renegotiate their mortgage based on the decreased value of their home--an idea that frankly sounds problematic. I'm eager to hear how that will restore confidence for the many people who will be expected to keep on paying their same monthly payments since they haven't defaulted. Don't mean to knock the man I'll likely vote for, but that was the only "news" I heard tonight and it needs some explaining.)
So we're basically where we were beforehand, waiting to see whether this will yet become an engaging horse race, whether smooth rhetoric or gut-checks or some yet unseen reality will determine the outcome of this election.
7/10/08 11:25 PM
the walking man said...
The Carter administration WAS exactly where the modern day financial de-regulation started. The intention was good, allow the less wealthy among us to find federal help in achieving the American dream of home ownership.
BUT the bit of what Carter started was grown large and massive, spilling into unintended areas of finance with the Reagan era. Take for example the GLB act. While it was passed during Clinton it was crafted and debated during Reagan. By the by it was passed along party lines (54-44) in a Republican controlled senate. This is the act that removed the FDR era controls on separating savings, investment and, insurance banks allowing them to combine services.
There was a great need in Reagan to have this. This removal of regulation. He needed the economy to grow rapidly and hugely to find funding for Star Wars. If you are to say that this rapid expansion was necessary for the defeat of communism, then you must now be willing to pay the price of it. First, the S&L bubble, then the Dot Com Bubble and now the bubble that rocks the very foundation of individual American wealth, the HOUSING bubble are the ongoing price of deregulation.
Long after the wall fell in Berlin. You could say the collapse of the Soviet is un-related to the fall two decades later, but you'd be mistaken. Sadly it is related in that them who chose the financial markets as a personal profit center, left the ideals of Carter and the wishes of Reagan for their own policies.
If for example the financials had never been deregulated, the envelope that had been continually pushed would have remained a box.
I am unwilling to lay this current problem at the feet of a future administration, it is an inherited one. No one senators vote will actually count for much in the light of history. To me both candidates are beholden to them who actually helped create the mess. Lobbyists and their masters.By following the Reagan era model of allowing them who have insider information on pending laws and legislation to immediately become corporate lobbyists with no cooling off period is one component of the history of the melt down.
There is a much grander psychology that was put in play during the Reagan and Clinton years. Both Bushes are excluded because there were melt downs during their terms. (Although in fairness to H he inherited his.)
One could call it the psychology of greed. The exact antithesis of what your barn building house building tale is about Tom.
In the evolved psychology of greed, the adult American was told not to worry about financing the present with future debt. The economy will grow to unlimited proportions which will in the future make your past debt plausible and payable. In the mean time we consumed everything that came along. Pet Rocks for goodness sakes, a rock in a box and folks paid dollars for it.
That we taught our children this new economic theory of present satisfaction for future pay was our great mistake as boomers. It continued the overall bubble.I sit at the tail end of the boomer generation, my oldest are 27 and my youngest 25, it is this age of children that are either going to sink or navigate the ship not the 48 and 72 year old's, it was them who sailed the ship onto the shoals and reefs of financial imprudence.
To them, like yourself Tom, who can say they had no part or just a tiny part of spending the future for the present I say well done. We, you and I, sit in about the same place. I have no mortgage or credit debt. We use plastic and pay it off at the end of the month and if they start to charge interest on a daily balance we will stop using it. That is fiscal conservatism on an individual level.
But on a national level the very first thing that needs to happen is to re-regulate the banking system. Separate investment from savings to protect savings. Too many people were led to the investment market rather than keeping their money in savings because investment promised an the false premise of an ever expanding economy.
It may be that multi-billion dollar pension plans could weather any storm, but we are seeing individual accounts, first proposed by Reagan era theorists, being downsized and eventually wiped out. This is the great transfer of middle class wealth to them in the upper 1%. It happened in '28-32 and it has been happening again since about 2001.
We should not necessarily cap CEO pay but rather tie them to company performance. Did you know the last Lehman CEO made 68 million dollars per year every year from 2001 through 2008, when Lehman investors lost everything? This is travesty.
I've gone on long enough. Let me say this as a final thought. I have grown dis-enchanted with both contenders with the presidential aspirations. You're correct though I DO NOT CARE whom Obama associatED with just as I do not care whom McCain associated with. Ayers actually did less and cost less than Charles Keating did to harm this nation. But I lay that at their feet not the candidates.
Obama is cagey enough had he been able to divine the future he would have disassociated himself from Wright and Ayers and McCain would have done the same with Keating and others. To me they are peas in a pod. I will vote but it is in that vein of which is going to be the lesser of two evils, which will do the least bit of damage to an economy that is 33% less able to weather more than it was even a year ago. McCain, it appears, wants even less regulation from the government. I think it is time to reverse that course.
Engler on the other hand...well let's just say that Granholm was ill prepared for the messy economy Engler left her with. I don't particularly wish to debate Michigan economic but I will stand by my contempt for Engler if I must.
This was a two mug post!
8/10/08 5:44 AM
Anonymous said...
Thank you POI...for giving me credit...but I just wanted to share what many of the people I rub shoulders with believe to be true. Joe Soucheray is a conservative...had an earlier "colorful" life and think 'maybe' had a "LIFE change" perhaps 20+ years ago or so. Wrote a book on it but I can't seem to locate it now.
I did NOT listen to the 'debate'...mainly for the reasons that Joe writes about. Frankly, people lay ALOT of 'blame' or 'hope' on the President---when in fact the stuff that happens, happens in the senate! These are the guys that have the power to change our lives. On senator from my state got elected because he claimed to not support term limits. Well that guy has succombed---and is very liberal and has been mentioned for the presidency (I'd tremble if that happened!!!)
What's going on in our country really isn't about politics...it's a "battle" and it's about "life or death". Some will be able to read between my lines---others will not. Those that can, we have an obligation to be on our knees!!!
WSL
8/10/08 8:26 AM
Anonymous said...
Oh, I might add this as "food for thought"...it's a remembrance from my distant past in history class where it was said that "ALL" great cultures always 'implouded" from within. The culture became rich, fat, greedy and decadent. Does that sound familiar????
WSL
8/10/08 8:31 AM
Anonymous said...
I don't usually do this...3 comments on the same post. But I read Angie Smith's blog too (Tom, you can see it through Jody's blog). Anyway the Smith's live in Nashville and Todd her husband, was somehow selected randomly through a poll that was done prior. NOW, I do wish I'd watched as Todd was allowed to ask a question (btw..he's with Selah). Don't know if this will resonate with people who did watch or not. Now I guess I'll have to resort to YouTube......
8/10/08 8:40 AM
Tammy said...
Wow, this post is excellently thought out, and there are so many good points.
I don't pretend to understand all the ins and outs of the political aspects concerning home ownership, but I agree with much of what you wrote concerning the American dream.
(And that children's chant of almost worship to a political candidate...my husband and I heard that it is downright eerie.)
As usual, your writing style and thought provoking subject blended perfectly, Tom.
Blessings,
~Tammy
8/10/08 1:53 PM
PI said...
TWM,
I wish I had seen this early this morning when I had a mug of coffee. =) See, Nancy, I told you Mark would have some input on your question.
These are some interesting thoughts, Mark. I had on economics class in college and I'll confess that I rarely get beyond the hide of this dead horse when I beat it, so I'll just say that much of what you said makes sense to me.
I'm not for bigger government, but I do think that when the feds bail out any institution, the leaders of that institution must forfeit any bonus in direct proportion to the size of the money they lost investors or tax-payers. It's the multi-million dollar bonuses of those Fanny and Freddy scoundrels that ticks America off.
Oh, how I wish McCain was as articulate in expressing the few conservative positions he holds as Obama is eloquent at masking his liberalism. Then last night's debate would have given me something to hang my hat on, but alas I still favor the stodgy, stammering "doer" over the talker.
Thanks for tying our discussion back to my story. It's funny that the financial themes of the story are more timely than ever.
WSL,
Yes, this is a sort of imploding. I did my masters degree work on the Great Depression--not so much the cause but the emotional response and optimism that FDR brought to office. I disagreed with his politics but he did like his "Happy Days are Here Again" theme and the blind optimism of Hollywood and the music industry at the time. There are also a number of "hymns" that we all know that came out at the time. I mention this to say... no matter what this month holds, we'll get through it, and those who know what it means to "draw near to God" will do so. Hey, that's funny about Todd from Selah. They're one of my favorites--got started right here in Michigan just up the road from me. We go to at least on of their concerts a year. I have the debate on tape and will look for him. You know that song "Hold on" that they do? That would be a good song for the days ahead.
Tammy,
I also felt creepy when I saw those kids singing mindlessly, almost robotically. I didn't want to be unfair. I asked myself if this were 28 years ago and kids were singing in favor of Reagan would that bother me. That's when it hit me... the thoughts of that 2nd to the last paragraph came from this... Reagan did not elevate himself. He painted American ideals as if his words were a Norman Rockwell--and it wasn't cheesy it was inspiring, and we were hungry for it. But those kids begin by singing "Obama's going to change the world" Oprah said similar things. Let's face it, for about a year there has been a Messianic aura around him and he enjoys it.
If you go to that link about the kids singing and scroll down in the related videos, you'll see that someone has made an unfair comparison to some children in Germany in the 1940's. While it is a despicable comparison that I would otherwise not direct anyone to, if you watch it, I think you'll see why the idea of children singing worshipfully about their new leader is so creepy.
[Folks please do not assume that I'm excusing that old "German" footage put to Obama's song. I merely think it unmasks why the "innocence" of that Obama-Children video was unsettling--even to Obama supporters.]
8/10/08 7:12 PM
Nancy said...
Tom, as usual you were right, TWM did have some facts. Thanks TMW! I wish I could be as intelligent as you guys! At least I'm creative enough to blog with folks that can give me insight. WSL, I can't even read between the lines... most of the time : ) Tammy, "creepy" is an accurate description... now if you could just do something about bloglines! Thanks to all for the blessings you provide in a variety of ways and to Tom for having the most interesting comment section in all of blogger land!
8/10/08 9:39 PM
PI said...
Nancy,
That's funny. I will say it has been more interesting than last night's debate. I did look at the footage and saw Todd from Selah. He grew up just north of here. He's the bald guy in the green shirt as McCain is explaining his new idea about bad mortgages (which still sounds more like something Obama would say to me), but here's a guy who performs before large audiences all the time, and he looks like a nervous "captive" in a line-up. No offense, Todd, but re-watching the audience in that debate helped me understand why the thing did not work. The audience was understandably "up tight," which is not at all the feel of a true McCain town hall meeting. I'd love to hear how Brokaw coached them to create that kind of tension. It seemed extremely "controlled." I'm glad to know we "know" someone who was there. Here's the post:
http://audreycaroline.blogspot.com
/2008/10/what-day.html
I'll close today's comments with what Angie (Todd's wife) wrote on her blog today:
"There are plenty of forums out there where you can get into all kinds of political debates, but this is just not the place. Thank you so much for recognizing and respecting that. I do hope that at the end of the day we are all praying for this election and what it will mean for our country. When Todd got home last night, one of the first things he did was to kneel at our bedside (in his Wal-Mart stud-gear) and spend some time in prayer. He thanked the Lord for the opportunity to be there, prayed for the election, and I'm sure he shared a few things that were only meant for the Lord to hear. It is awesome that he got to be there, no doubt. But the most important thing he did was to assume the posture of a man who wants to be in the will of God, and wants to be wise in his decisions. What a blessing that we can all approach the Lord this way." Angie Smith at "Bring the Rain." [Selah music plays there including the title song.]
8/10/08 11:55 PM
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